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Old 07-26-2010, 11:38 PM   #1
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so i picked up my puppy, i tested the litter and he had the most pray drive, and was the most dominant of his brothers and sister

he has been in my home for just under 2 weeks and i have been surprised at the intelligence of this dog (did not realize rottweilers where this smart), he knows the come and sit command, knows to got to the door when nature calls to be taken outside,,ect

he is a bit dominant with me and tries to bite on my clothing but runs scared when i correct, i think i have established leadership but he is heard headed and i think this will be ongoing

he is growling and attempting to bite the leash but quickly calms down when i hold his front legs off the ground for a few seconds.

wondering if all this sounds normal so far and how long it will take to permanently establish dominance, and once i have is it true that he may try and take a shot at me at his age of maturity even if he has been subordinate until then?

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Old 07-27-2010, 04:59 PM   #2
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The most pray drive, must be a real

Congrats on your new pup. Yeah I think good rotts are damn smart. Having a litter here I can see them figuring things out.

Sounds like you're doing OK with the corrections. For some things I would make a subtle correction a few times before making a final stronger correction. For example my pups are biting my toes, so I step on their feet with my toes, gentle pressure just enough to trap their feet, they start to whimper and try to pull their feet away, then I let go. It's enough to make them not like the game. For pant biting I use short taps with the heel of the same foot or the other foot, it's always enough. Tap harder if you need to, the main thing being that the pup can't avoid the correction. If he has learned that he can do the behavior and then avoid the correction you're running into problems. If you don't extinguish leg biting now it can continue into adulthood.

Do obedience training at the right time and tackle problems individually as they come up, like not coming when called, instead of concerning yourself with generalities like "subordination".
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Old 07-27-2010, 11:26 PM   #3
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he is a bit dominant with me and tries to bite on my clothing but runs scared when i correct He is not seeking to be dominant at this time and by correcting him hard enough that he runs off will lead to a weakening of the dog. He is aporx 10 weeks old from your posting. He clearly knows you are the dominant animal in the relationship. You are older and vaslty physically larger and stronger. He doesn't need to be shown whos boss, he is well aware of it and this behavior show a desire to play and can be used to build drive and a desire to bite. Allow him to do it but move him onto a tug toy etc so that he moves away from your leg. Don't tell him off for something you are going to want him to do later.

i think i have established leadership but he is heard headed and i think this will be ongoing He isn't trying to take over the world or to rule youand to treat him as though he is is to create an adversarial relationship with him where you are far more likely to have hium react aggressively to you later in life. Simply teach him that if he does what you want he gets what he wants. It will end with a vastly better prepared dog later in life and one you have a vaslty better relationship with.

As far as "head headedness" goes he isn't being hard headed he simply doesn't know. When a dog at this age doesn't show the behavior you desire from him he simply doesn't know yet and isn't conditioned correctly. He cannot be he doesn't have the maturity for it. Don't look at it as he is disobeying you but at that he isn't trained to a level yet where he knows what you seek and "teach" him. If you want a truly sound dog that follows your commands but is strong in the work he must see you as someone he wants to follow not someone who seeks to fight him and constantly punished him.

wondering if all this sounds normal so far and how long it will take to permanently establish dominanceIf you do it correctly dominance will be established through normal training.

once i have is it true that he may try and take a shot at me at his age of maturity Any strong dog that truly seek to control his/her environment when they reach maturity but again if you show him you are a clear leader who is consistant in what you do etc and that he knows what it is that you seek this will be vastly lower than if he think you are his adversary. Set the foundation correctly and the rest should take care of itself.

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Old 07-28-2010, 12:31 PM   #5
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he is a bit dominant with me and tries to bite on my clothing but runs scared when i correct He is not seeking to be dominant at this time and by correcting him hard enough that he runs off will lead to a weakening of the dog. He is aporx 10 weeks old from your posting. He clearly knows you are the dominant animal in the relationship. You are older and vaslty physically larger and stronger. He doesn't need to be shown whos boss, he is well aware of it and this behavior show a desire to play and can be used to build drive and a desire to bite. Allow him to do it but move him onto a tug toy etc so that he moves away from your leg. Don't tell him off for something you are going to want him to do later.

i think i have established leadership but he is heard headed and i think this will be ongoing He isn't trying to take over the world or to rule youand to treat him as though he is is to create an adversarial relationship with him where you are far more likely to have hium react aggressively to you later in life. Simply teach him that if he does what you want he gets what he wants. It will end with a vastly better prepared dog later in life and one you have a vaslty better relationship with.

As far as "head headedness" goes he isn't being hard headed he simply doesn't know. When a dog at this age doesn't show the behavior you desire from him he simply doesn't know yet and isn't conditioned correctly. He cannot be he doesn't have the maturity for it. Don't look at it as he is disobeying you but at that he isn't trained to a level yet where he knows what you seek and "teach" him. If you want a truly sound dog that follows your commands but is strong in the work he must see you as someone he wants to follow not someone who seeks to fight him and constantly punished him.

wondering if all this sounds normal so far and how long it will take to permanently establish dominanceIf you do it correctly dominance will be established through normal training.

once i have is it true that he may try and take a shot at me at his age of maturity Any strong dog that truly seek to control his/her environment when they reach maturity but again if you show him you are a clear leader who is consistant in what you do etc and that he knows what it is that you seek this will be vastly lower than if he think you are his adversary. Set the foundation correctly and the rest should take care of itself.

Mick.
thank you very good info, i will adjust a few things, thank you
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Old 08-01-2010, 09:11 AM   #6
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I cant agree with mick more. Be careful with the corrections at such a young age is my only advice.
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