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Old 08-25-2011, 09:16 PM   #1
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Default How much does a protection dog runs for?

I know that depends of the quality of the puppy of if itīs a full grown and trained adult.

Here pups run for as much as 1000 usd to 5000 usd depending on the breed and quality.

A full trained dog or a stud could be unbelievable expensive.

Is that the same in the U.S.A. and other countries?
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Old 08-25-2011, 09:54 PM   #2
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It's the same prices here. But it's all a scam as far as pups go, trained adults you have to be very careful who you buy from and understand what you're looking for. I would never pay more than $1000 for a pup. As a matter of fact I would never buy a pup again if my aim was really a protection dog, unless I knew the parents intimately, and understood what they produce. I just bred my rotts, and I have a good idea what to look for in the progeny, that's the only chance I will take with a pup. If you need a PD your best bet is to go with a young green dog that has been tested and shows potential. The price you will pay may be less than what you'd pay for a pup. It doesn't take long to train a good dog for PD, it's mostly the feeling they develop for their new home anyways. So those very high prices for a "trained" dog are hardly justifiable. If the dog needed so much training then it's probably wasn't so good in the first place. Remember Toņo, you need a dog that will put on a strong show of force when someone comes to your property, you will most likely will not be doing doing suit work with the dog jumping over a fire. It's way more important to train the a PD to be suspicious of strangers who pretend to be friendly, really refuse food when the owners are not around etc. than to do fancy bitework.
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Old 08-25-2011, 10:55 PM   #3
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"It's way more important to train the a PD to be suspicious of strangers who pretend to be friendly " Amen.

Is that a natural trait? or it can be conditioned and how. Thanks for the heads up
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Suspicion can be natural and it can also be learned, it's really a fine balance that I don't fully understand yet. The ideal is an aloof dog, that is when you admit people to your property and the dog will tolerate their presence and maybe even some attention from them, but will definitely not enjoy physical contact from strangers. The same dog would react aggressively if the same strangers came on the property and the owner wasn't present. I've never met such a dog but people talk about them.

When suspicion is natural it's often overdone, think of a fila. On the other extreme you get a dog like my rott that is a very strong biter but extremely difficult to get suspicious of people which makes his usefulness very limited. I would need many people that are willing to give him a negative experience to change his mind. I believe the preferred dog is not one that's suspicious and aggressive in a blind sort of way. Rather a dog that understands that a stranger is bad news but is still clear headed about it with his show of aggression. This is one of the areas in PD that is most interesting to me. I guess it ties in with the territorial instinct.

But yes given enough planned unpleasant experiences from strangers when the owner is not around, the dog will learn to expect the worst from people. In less orderly countries dogs get that way seemingly without training. But really it's because they see more of the bad side of people, they would've been teased, had stuff thrown at them etc. What do you expect from a sheltered dog that all its seen is friends of the family come to the house and be nice to it. A dog that would still end up being suspicious in this situation is likely to be over the top naturally suspicious.

Giving a negative experience to a dog has to be done right. You have to do it in such a way that the dog can make a conclusion about what was different about this particular situation which led up to the person behaving this way towards him. In the case of a serious area guard dog there are no such exceptions, everyone is the enemy and that's what will keep the dog safe. It's easy to do this kind of training, you just try to fool the dog to be off guard, and then you can smack it or pinch it, not in a way that will be so painful that it's discouraging. You may need a few different people to do the same thing. As to how quick and how long the dog retains the experience and continues reacting appropriately without a refresher is largely a factor of his genetics.
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Old 08-25-2011, 11:29 PM   #5
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I have had a Fila and it was too much. He never trully accepted other members of the familiy. He was indeed a one manīs dog.

I want an ideal dog and I know is hard to obtain, but I am ready to work hard for it. I have a trainer who is really professional to help me up. I really think that a guard dog should be taken seriously, cause is a loaded weapon. Thereīs a lot of people who come to my home. I think is too much for him to tell the difference. Maybe he must to be confined and distrustful for any strangers. My home was subject of larceny recently, and I really need another dog to support the area that is not protected.
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Confining the dog at certain times is a way of achieving it. Ideally I want the dog to be fully integrated with family life but sometimes it may be asking too much from the dog. For sure if you have a number of people over it's best to confine the dog and let people know not to go in its area. It is a bit of a balancing act but worth it. When you leave your house the dog has access to all areas of your property and you will feel secure. At night when everyone's sleeping same thing.
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Old 08-25-2011, 11:54 PM   #7
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Thats some solid advice. I have already a couple of Chihuahuas and a Dachshund to do the pet work
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