why do the German origin breeds dominate the PPD world

Vincent M · 03-18-2010, 02:53 PM

As far as my research goes i keep seeing very good dogs coming from the German breeds

doberman, Rottweiler, German Shepperd dog

it seems to me that these breeds dominate the PPD world

and i wondered why there are not more, bull, mastiff, terrier, and herding breeds (mal being the exception) being used successfully

i see a few good strong dogs from other countries of origin but they are few and far between

i wounder what it is about these breeds that has made them in my mind superior working dogs to most other breeds, and why they originate from the same country

Steve Davis · 03-18-2010, 03:19 PM

because the germans are smarter than americans...

Dan · 03-18-2010, 03:20 PM

There's even a mastiff of German origin; the great dane.

I've thought about the same Vincent, but haven't come up with anything definitive. I think Germans are smart and organized/efficient, these qualities when applied to breeding can produce good dogs. They're also in a position to have access to all European breeding stock. Germany is a big country with large rural areas within close proximity of well populated cities. This is a good environment for breed development.

Vincent M · 03-18-2010, 04:06 PM

i think as a culture they really do love the working type dog, and have huge well organized breed specific clubs that have been guiding the breeds over decades, correct me if I'm wrong but gsd's cant get authorization to breed until they are certified in terms of conformation and schutzhund titles, what do we need in north America, a akc or ckc form and a payment,

Jennifer T. · 03-18-2010, 04:52 PM

You are right Vincent, they must be KKl 1 or 2 (breed survey), and before they can get that rating by the SV they must get at least a Sch I.

Mick T · 03-18-2010, 06:48 PM

For me it is there breeding practices in that they are more ruthless, and were even more ruthless through certain periods of their history, on their breeding practices than any other country. Whilst SchH has been less effective in recent times for determining a truly strong temperament it is still better than nothing and was for a time a real test of a dog. To have breeding practices that stipulated that a dog must have these qualities and not compromising this is a foundation to any succesful breeding operation. In recent times showing, breeding for pets has taken a huge toll on these breeds but good examples still exist, with a lot of these coming from dogs long since gone when work was the number one priority. another factor that has allowed these breeds to keep these qualities is that demand still exists for such dogs in real working environments. GSD's are still the most widely used working service dog in the world where as other bull type breeds largely have a low base of demand for dogs capable of doing serious bite work and thus less such dogs are produced or sought and thus finding such dogs becomes more difficult. Once such a temperament is no longer sought in a certain breed it soon becomes difficult to find such temperaments. Luckily the GSD and to a smaller degree in Rotts and Dobes there is still some demand for such dogs, thus they do still get produced.

Having greater access to such dogs is also a factor as is their culture of prizing such dogs.

Mick.

Steve G · 03-18-2010, 07:59 PM

That's just s few breeds you have the malinois(belgium) the bovier(france) the dutch shepherd(holland) american bulldogs pitbulls.ect.... There a lot more dogs out there the german shepherd and malinois are your most dominant and more of a wider area of getting a decent bred dog.

Vincent M · 03-19-2010, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve G

That's just s few breeds you have the malinois(belgium) the bovier(france) the dutch shepherd(holland) american bulldogs pitbulls.ect.... There a lot more dogs out there the german shepherd and malinois are your most dominant and more of a wider area of getting a decent bred dog.

mal and dutchi are good psd but from what i understand they are very hard to live with (due to drive levels) so limiting their use as a good house ppd, (and i also identified them as an exception in my original post)

bovier, i have never seen a hard core example, and do not compare with the German breeds i mentioned

and as for the american bull dog and apbt , their limited ability to respond to OB makes them inferior, and it is also difficult to find serious example of these dogs in terms of (hardness, sharpness, and fight drive) when compared to the German dogs

jmo

Vincent M · 03-19-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mick T

For me it is there breeding practices in that they are more ruthless, and were even more ruthless through certain periods of their history,

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Mick what do you mean by ruthless?

Dan · 03-19-2010, 10:58 AM

Probably culling. Although today I believe they'd rather export to the US a pup they consider no good than cull it.