As the forum is growing it shows up more and more in search engine results. With greater exposure there are more people looking to join. Lately I've been seeing new members with introductions that indicate an interest in one of the dog sports and none in protection dogs. I thought I did a good enough job with the forum mission statement on the home page http://www.protectiondogforum.com/ to alienate the protection dog sport crowd. Are people simply not reading it? How should new members who do not demonstrate an interest in protection dogs be treated?
I think most intelligent people bring something to the table with regards to dogs. It would be a shame to turn good folks away. But then this is also a forum with a purposefully narrow focus. Your thoughts?
its a public forum right?? in all honesty, if you want to ban the folks on here that ARE involved in just sport, your gonna loose a lot of members..JMO
maybe you could start a sport protection dog forum. and have them linked together if you dont like to hear about sport dogs.
Honestly, I think that you should keep your focus on PP dogs. IF there are people on here who demonstrate and interest in sport and speak ONLY of sport and BELIEVE in only sport, then I think a ban would be well-placed.
You do have a section on here about protection sports. People who are involved in sport and have sport videos (such as myself) should post there. PP discussion is elsewhere. I don't mind directing people to the sport section on here if they wish to discuss sport. But, I do primarily think, even for the sport people on here, that PP needs to be important to them as well.
For myself and the Steves (lol ) even though we are in sport and feel it has an important function for myself as a breeder promoting my dog(s) as well as them, PP is the first and foremost thing of duty on our list for our dogs' jobs. I feel IMO that this is fine, but people who only do sport and believe in sport should not be welcome here, there are other forums for them out there.
All I have to say say is without dog sports we would not have police and pp dogs. A lot of people get into sport because they want a protection dog with a goal and objective and to have fun. Most sports have a protection portion! But I do agree if u wanna talk sport keep it in the sport section on here
Steve
Actually, I thought it was Dan's forum? And historically that should read there would be no Sports if not for police work , not the other way around.
That said, I would like to do something I thought I'd never do, drift away from the original topic, just a little, but still I'm changing the topic. If you want to move it or erase it, Dan it is your forum.
My question is if PP training requires a dog to bite on command, and release on command.
If Sport training requires a dog to bite on command, and release on command.
What EXACTLY is the big difference in PP & Sport? Is it a training approach that is different?
Is it a breed specific thing like, an English Bulldog could never make it around a Greyhound track? Or is it a tactical thing that has to do with how the dog is used AFTER it is trained?
Or is all this just something for people to do, while sitting in front of a computer when the boss is gone?
I think I know the answer. So Why, after Umpaty-seven-thousand posts, has no one ever given a definitive answer as to what is different in the training, the tactics, the something of a PP and a Sport dog?
Oh and I'm leaving the country for a few days to teach, so pardon me if I don't get into any of the upcoming, rotten tomato, slinging!
the difference for me is that good dogs have been ruined threw bad sports related training, locking a dog in prey or making them equipment happy, i have heard stories of improperly trained police dogs jumping along side criminals looking for a sleeve to bite, a real ppk9 would never make that mistake, my last dog was a borne junk yard dog and with training i could walk him threw crowds and and take him every place with me, but if some sucker tried to start a violent encounter with me it would be over, and i was 100% confident of that, a sport dog owner cant say the same
sport forums are so against anyone that has a man stopper mentality and have so much negativity and ignorance towards anything that doesn't fit into what they think dog training is, i would prefer if the down to earth feeling of this forum was maintained
I believe in the dog sports. As I compete and decoy for them. But I do agree the pp training is not welcome in the pure sport peoples minds. With that said I would rather have a dog that would protect me first pass a trial second but you CAN have both. I have seen a lot of sport dogs that will kill you but a lot that wouldn't bite if you were all out attacked. I have been around and seen dogs go through years of strict pp training from trainers that say sport dogs suck and the dogs they were training for years did not work when the need arouse. So with all this said just pick your trainer wisely and de your research.
All I have to say say is without dog sports we would not have police and pp dogs.
Steve, can you explain this statement?
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its a public forum right?? in all honesty, if you want to ban the folks on here that ARE involved in just sport, your gonna loose a lot of members..JMO
I'm not sure what you mean by public forum. This forum can be viewed online by anyone with the exception of the "juicy" sections, to see those you have to be a registered member. Anyone can register but not all will be accepted, and further more can be accepted and then rejected based on their participation. There is no implied or intended obligation to "the public".
Unlike most other forums the basis for PDF is not financial gain. We all have one or two friends who understand our need or purpose with our dogs and have some experience, they're the ones we turn to when we need advice or simply to put things in perspective. Do we feel the need to have 100 such friends? I don't care if PDF membership stays small as long as the caliber of participants is high.
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Originally Posted by Steve Davis
maybe you could start a sport protection dog forum. and have them linked together if you dont like to hear about sport dogs.
Why oh why would I do something like that
I've said this before, for the most part it's not the exercises of the protection dog sports that I have a problem with, it's the training approach. Although sometimes I also have a problem with what the decoy is allowed to do. But all that is another discussion. I just want to figure out what to do with new members who don't demonstrate an interest in PD. I do not enjoy asking people to leave.
Nor should you like I have said many time jen t and steve davis and myself have a training group in which we train protection dogs but at the same time we are CROSS training for sport work steve davis is doin psa as well as jen is cross training for psa and schutzhund were I am doin schutzhund. But I will not comprimise our dogs protection work for sport rules. They are pp dogs FIRST and the day I get disqualified for my dog being such I will drop sport work. I believe what ever your training your dog for it should be under complete control with 100 percent drive. So if this is your main goal for this forum I will keep my sport stuff in the sport section on here and the pp stuff for the rest of the board
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